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Hi, this is Rachel and my
cover. We've got a special guest,
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Stephanie. She's here, uh to
tell us about neuro feedback. Stephanie,
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tell us a little about yourself.
Um. Hi Rachel, So it's good
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to meet you. UM. So
my name is Stephanie Garcia. I am
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a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist,
Board Certified Neurotherapy UM license in both Texas
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and Hawaii and UM I focus on
QUEG Guide to Neurofeedback. Okay, so
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how did you get into mental health? UM? I've always, for one
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thing, I've always had a love
for the brains since I can remember.
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UM, and I've always thought outside
the box. Um. So, like
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growing up in Los Angeles, Uh, I remember passing by homeless people as
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a kid, and you know,
even at like four years old, asking
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my dad, you know how come
these people are homeless us and he'd say,
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UM, you know, well they
made their choices that let him there.
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And I just knew, even at
four years old that there was something
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else. There was there was something
more to their story. And it had
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me kind of thinking about human behavior
and traumas and what what could have happened
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to these people? And so I
started thinking more about the brain and psychology
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even from a very young age.
UM and I've just always always known that
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I wanted to either be a psychologist
or work in mental health. UM.
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And like I said, I've always
had a left of the brain and human
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behavior. So it just it interests
me. Okay, what helps you focus?
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What helps you get into working with
neuro feedback? UM. So that
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one's interesting. So in grad school
UM, as a licensed clinical marriage and
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family therapist, I was being taught
different interventions. So basically what we say
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to a potential client after they say
their part of their narrative, and I
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just knew instinctially that there's something missing
there. UM. So we know that
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trauma is held throughout the body,
and many of my clients have called after
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reading The Body Keeps the Score by
best Seal Vandercook. A lot of people
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have heard of that one, UM
tremendous book about healing from trauma and how
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the body stores or members traumatic events. UM And so we're learning about these
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different interventions, and we know that
traumatic traumatic memory is primarily held in the
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olympics system and the midbrain UM.
And we speak to each other using primarily
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the frontal lobe. Are temporal lobes, different memory centers that are found in
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different areas of the brain, and
it's very difficult to reach the inner workings
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of the midbrain by talk therapy alone. And so I was thinking, you
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know, we're kind of just reaching
the surface. You know, how do
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we deal with you know, how
do we talk people out of things like
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addiction and eating disorders and traumatic brain
injuries. Those are things that are going
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to take a brain based solution.
UM. And so I started doing my
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research while still in my UM last
year of grad school, reached out to
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a lot of colleagues UM that were
on the mainland and found there was such
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a thing, and that is neurofeedback. UM. So I brought that to
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uh MAUI UM held a big conference
and taught a you know, a lot
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of professionals throughout the islands about this
this new kind of UM kind of intricate
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you know, interplay between psychology and
neuroscience and how it can help and just
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we've had a lot of success and
so now it's just a major part of
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therapy. And that was nine years
ago. So, UM, can you
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can you kind of explain some of
the history behind neuro feedback? Sure?
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So UM, it helps to kind
of really understand UM neurow feedback and kind
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of how it works. UM.
So, neurofeedback is biofeedback for the brain.
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So we use an e G or
electron cephalograph, and that kind of
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translates to electrical brain picture, which
measures brainwave activity, which are the firing
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of your different patterns of nerons and
the brain we have trillions of neurons.
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And then we use auditory and visual
stimuli as rewards to correct any brain imbalances.
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And so that training the brain towards
more normative, comfortable frequencies help people
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to attend more to UM their environment, be more UM, be able to
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be more concentrated, be able to
be more present, they're more authentic selves,
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relax anxiety, help with sleep disorder
is UM. So using those visual
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and auditory cues as rewards UM helps
the brain, you know, UM,
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and we that's fed back in real
time half second by half second, and
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the client over repetition and practice,
just like anything else we learned, learns
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how to find its way back to
the most comfortable state. UM. So
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some of the research behind it,
let's see, So starting off with so,
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there's been many great stories great studies
proving the efficacy of neurow feedback,
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especially with PTSD substance use. UM
Lots lots of different things, especially UM.
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Autism is another one traumatic brain injuries
UM, but a lot of it
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started in the nineteen sixties. UM. Dr Kamyata at the University of Chicago
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UM found that he successfully conditioned to
subjects to increase their alpha production UM simply
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by the sound of a bell.
So it kind of reminds you of pavlog
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dog and you could think of alpha
as a calm, relax creative state.
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It's our most dominant rhythm. And
I find that it's somewhat lacking in our
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population these days. As we've become
busier and busier, people were more in
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in a you know, faster beta
type state UM. Shortly after that UM,
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a lot of people have heard of
and no Dr Barry Sturman, so
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Dr Sermon and his lab in U
c l A was tasked by NASA to
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improve their astronauts seizure threshold to rocket
fuel UM. So after many attempts to
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use cats as subjects, they went
through the same experience as humans. They
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they reached a level of atmospheric pressure
increased gases of rocket fuel, and the
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cats, just like the humans,
had seizures and ultimately died. So there
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was one sub subsection of cats who
did not. And he realized, you
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know what's different about these cats and
the others, and the cats that survived
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had had actually gone through a previous
research study which included biofeedback, and so
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now we use UM sentory motor rhythm
narrow feedback UM, which is training low
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beta at twelve to fourteen herds,
which is UM twelve to fourteen cycles per
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second, and the sentory motor strip
which runs kind of like a rainbow from
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one year to the other across across
the top of the scalp and UM.
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He found that using that on humans
with epilepsy, sixty percent of his subjects
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reduced their seizures by and the results
were also long lasting. So we still
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use that protocol today m HM.
So lastly, if we want to in
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more narrow feedback research UM, i'll
talk about Dr lu Barx I think because
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his research is really interesting and something
that's not credited maybe enough, but he
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found that neurofeedback is actually an A
level treatment for those with a d D
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or a d h D so that
is the same level treatment. So the
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best treatment available UM for people suffering
with a d D or a d h
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D is stimulant medication. UM.
It's just something that's also it's long lasting,
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and it's entirely holistic UM. So
you know, it's it's an exciting
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field and it continues to evolve.
We're now pairing QEG analysis with psychiatry and
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genetic testing to find the most effective
medications for psychiatric treatment. So there's a
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lot of work that's being done in
this field. So always very interesting.
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What are some of the success rates? UM? Okay, so see some
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of the success success rates. They
vary among different populations. UM. So
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people personality disorders, they're not good
candidates, will just say that right off
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the bat. Those with bipolar they
need a different type of neuro feedback UM,
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one where there's no rewards. They're
just basically receiving a mirror of the
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brain UM and it makes adjustments based
on its own feedback. UM. For
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others, it doesn't really matter what
they come in for. What we see
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is what the research shows. As
we see first reduction and anxiety, an
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increase in sleep, and an increase
in sense of well being, and then
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I see an increase in authenticity,
people being more of themselves. So anecdotally
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and my and what I have seen
over nine years full time, so I've
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seen over a thousand clients for QI
gnuro feedback UM. So anecdotally, about
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of my clients have reached their neuro
feedback goals by twenty sessions, which twenty
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sessions is the standard in our field. UM. How would you find a
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neuro feedback practitioner UM, So that's
a really important question because there's a lot
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of people who have picked it up
who are not licensed or should be maybe
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using it. UM. I would
look for somebody who is UM, who
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is licensed, whose board certified neurotherapy, who uses brain mapping, because other
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forms of neurofeedback our brain waves sensing
machines, just like kind of the mendy
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that you just kind of put over
the forehead. UM, their brain wave
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sensing machines, but you cannot see
what's going on. I don't need to
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scalp. So I always recommend UM, you know, doing something where you're
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looking at mapping, you can actually
see the brain imaging and see precisely what's
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going on in the brain and the
different hubs, So it's not just kind
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of one trick ponies or something that
is just kind of giving the brain of
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mirror and not not using those rewards
and adjustments. UM. So with that
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UM, brain Master's website is a
good one to look at. That's the
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system that I use. UM AIM
and Clinics also uses brain Master UM and
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you can find a practitioner near you
just by putting in your zip code.
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What types of narrow feedback are there? UM, So kind of like I
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was just going through, there's you
know, brain sensing neurow feedback is what
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I'll call it. I kind of
don't want to use names of different systems
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UM. But they basically have a
few loose electrodes in their program only with
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three protocols. So it doesn't really
you know, no matter what your clients
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going through, you're to get the
same three treatments as everyone else. UM.
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And so that one is is definitely
very popular. But they cannot really
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detect what's going on in the brain, and the brain might not need so
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much you know, theta in the
in the in the parietal lobe or so
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much UM you know, low beta
in the right hemisphere. I'm thinking of
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the protocols that they use. Um. Also there's ones who don't use any
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rewards at all. Those are ones
that you can typically rent um and because
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there are no rewards, you're basically
just getting your own biofeedback, which,
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like I said, works well for
bipolar disorder, but for other disorders does
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not work so well. Um So
Brain Brain Master again is a system that
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I use, and we use Z
scores which tell you, you know,
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using a biomarker match, how more
predispositioned you are towards different diagnoses and to
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what extent um that shows the connectivity
between vital hubs and networks. And we'll
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look at, you know, every
single voxel in your brain. We have
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more than seven thousand voxels or cubic
millimeters in the brain. So it looks
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at all different areas and shows you
exactly where the aberan brainwave behavior is occurring
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and exactly what q e G identified
protocols would work best for that person.
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Well, because I know, I
mean some sometimes you know, when I
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would do narrow feedback, we would
watch a movie, you know, and
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if the screen would go dark,
then you know I wasn't focusing enough,
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and then it would get my attention, and then sometimes they do it with
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my eyes closed. And then I've
had other people talk about like it being
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like more like a video game,
you know. Yeah, And so I
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use actually all three of those in
okay, So those are all different UM.
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I guess programs or protocols that you
can use is with with UM with
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neuro feedback, so it's D score
neuro feedback. My client can be sitting
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across the room playing a race car
game with nothing but their mind, and
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you're right when there I call it
in the zone. So when they're within
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let's say one point five standard deviations
UM, when they're within that threshold,
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that car is going to go,
and you're gonna hear the roar of the
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engine, which is pleasing to the
ear thus to the brain. Also seeing
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go, seeing the car move on
its own tells the brain you did something
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novel. The brain likes novelty,
something new, UM, and so it'll
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always find its way back to making
that that car curve around the raceway right,
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or making that screen brighter for you, or with the eyes closed,
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going deep inward doing alpha data training. UM. So there's different protocols for
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different people, and it it really
depends precisely on that person's brain and what's
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needed. Um because um, I
feel like some people need to like you
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know, when they walk in there. I mean, they're not going to
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know a lot of the science behind
it, you know, and so you
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know what is that like, you
know kind of thing you know more or
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less, so the science behind it. So the rewards you know, the
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brighter screen, so you know,
the the brain would always prefer to see
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the screen brighter. Something change on
the screen. Sometimes there's sparkles, sometimes
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things pop up on the screen,
and that tells the brain you did something
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right, that's something novel, that's
something new, Stay there, go back
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there. So your brain will always
find its way back to that, to
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that original area. And so you
know, we're giving the client, you
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know, at at every five hundred
milliseconds, another chance to get back into
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that threshold or that being in the
zone. Okay, So what that does
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for the brain rewards it in the
right ways to stay in those positive frequencies.
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And that's looking at connections asymmetries.
So one area the brain, we
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see this a lot. We'll we'll
take over other areas of the brain.
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So with trauma, for example,
the limbic system is usually over roused and
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hijacked along with the runtal lobe,
so they're interacting far too much as well.
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So there's an asymmetry there, but
there's also overcoherence, so way too
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much communication occurring between the limbic system
and the frontal lobe. Limbic system says
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do this, I'm scared. Frontal
lobe says, go right. And so
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when we're when we get that to
calm down and we get that to relax,
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and you say, more of our
our temporal lobes, more of our
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creative side, you know, things
like that, UM, calm down the
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limit system, calm down that interior
singulate that's moving away too hot. Then
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we're going to see the screen brighten
up. We're going to see the car
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go. We're going to hear the
music more melodic again, pleasing to the
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ear with us to the brain.
Okay, UM, tell us some of
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the success you've had with patients.
Let's see so success rate. UM,
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I have to say I have.
I can write a book on my clients
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success stories. And I've said that
a lot, even after their very first
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session. UM. People often come
to me when they're at the end of
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their rope, so to speak.
So, UM, you know they've tried
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counseling, treatment facilities, mental hospitals, yoga and meditation, you name it.
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greatest quotes from a client's review,
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this, She said in one session,
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Stephanie was able to tell us more
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medical treatment. So in all the
doctors that they had seen in an entire
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year, I was able to point
out all the discrepancies, everything going on
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in the brain, which made sense, and it was very validating for them,
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gave them a lot of hope.
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better attention focus, they can be
more present with their kids or their loved
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ones. UM. And also an
interesting thing, I can't tell you the
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number of times people have come in
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there's this thing that used to bother
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angry every single day, you know, every day would bother me and stick
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on my mind. And today it
just I just walked past it and I
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thought that was strange. Didn't bother
me whatsoever. And so that is something
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that's very very common, and people
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has been taken away, you know,
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by trauma, by stressors, by
life habits. They just kind of build
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and build and build in our brain
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do before. Like I don't think
I ever laughed as hard as I did
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before. Um. And I was
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but it's a lot better than it
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to break quite a few patterns.
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skills, I would say, absolutely
so. Notings that, noticing that self
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regulation, that's one of the first
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of their habits, of their behaviors. Um. You know, it's interesting
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I've had not to say that this
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like I said there at the end
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in the next office right about.
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their lives. And I'm just I
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three sessions they come in smiling,
calm, thank you Stephanie, giving me
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compliments. They don't hate me right
like they hated the world before, and
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things have changed dramatically for them.
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those kinds of clients, I just
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so you'll be feeling a lot better. But yeah, self regulation is a
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huge one and emotional and you know, and it depends on what you're dealing
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lot of different things to make it
work, and narrow feedback helped me tremendously,
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uh, absolutely absolutely, And so
the people that I see get better the
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fastest always, UM, take care
of their brains, take care of themselves
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in other ways, you know,
like yoga, like doing m d R,
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like seeing another therapist, you know
for psychotherapy. UM, you know,
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eating the right foods, all those
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see them getting better faster, right. So, because I mean I think
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you know, the body keeps scores. Basically, I would say one of
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the best guides out there for actually
healing. You know, if you're going
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to just grab a book out of
pretty much anything I've read over the last
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you know, five years on mental
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binding treatments, you know, absolutely
absolutely. And then one last thing on
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on that note, you know,
there's a lot of people walking around that
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it. UM. So that's something
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with hyperbaric auction therapy UM. Lots
lots of different interventions. UM. But
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that can cause a lot of symptoms
you know of gosh, from anxiety,
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depression, insomnia, UH, emotional
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area that's in every single you know, frequency band connection, asymmetries, coherence.
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concussions go, that's yeah, that's
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with neurotransmitters, electrical oscillations uh um,
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blood flow that their areas then able
to detox the way it's supposed to.
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incredible too. So there's the Concussion
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my clients with concussions. I think
it's as good as the body keeps the
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score. But four concussions. Yeah. The other thing is, I mean
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it's not invasive whatsoever. You know,
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we're listening in on your brain waves
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so nothing's going in your head.
I've had a lot of people asked
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me if I can kind of like
read their thoughts or what they're thinking.
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at all, um, and you know,
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it's the most non invasive tool that's
out there. It's completely holistic,
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cannot hurt you. But with that, I'll get the caveat that. You
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know, you need to be seeing
a license professional that's board certified in your
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own therapy, that has done a
lot of work, and UM, you
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know that's highly recommended. And uh
alsno't recommended to me that I do counseling
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at the same time. Yeah,
I actually mixed that in. So we
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start with about twenty minutes of psychotherapy
and going through their goals and then we
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go into their protocol after that.
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a lot of clients do see UM
their business. Well, okay, anything
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else you would like to add that
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uh. If you're interested in neurofeedback, you can always look at my website.
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I'm very verbose on there, so
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there's a lot of tells you exactly
how it works and maybe answer some questions
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that you still may have. UM. And also client testimonies are all on
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there as well. So UM,
I have a clinic in MAUI. It's
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neurof Neurofeedback Mauie dot com. So
Neurofeedback Mauie dot com. And I also
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have one here in Texas Tyler Tyler
neurocare dot com. My face book pages
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are both um of the same name
as well, so you can always go
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on there contact me. I give
reconsultations um to whoever calls in and would
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like to speak. And I also
rent out my systems as well, the
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same brain Master systems. And you
know, I know insurance is starting to
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cover this. Uh is there any
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places don't take insurance for this,
you know. I I think that that
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that maybe is that's very controversial.
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tried to take insurance for neurofeedback,
and what I found was the companies would
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say yes when I called, but
then wouldn't cover it when I put on
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there that the first thing is neurofeedback. Now people I guess kind of it
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on their psychotherapy instead. Then they
can take right and they use this as
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a modality. If they can justify
it that way, then they can take
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insurance. But I wouldn't risk my
license for it. Fair enough, I
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know it's a it's trick. We
talked about it at all the conferences you
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know, um that I go to. So it's something that we're pushing for
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but hasn't been done yet. I
think I've seen where neurofeedback is the first
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modality. So it's so it's a
process of the insurance. Not that it
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won't cover it, but you have
to do it a certain way to get
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it covered. No. Not if
you're using neurofeedback as that that's your main
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modality, then you have to put
neurofeedback first and it's not covered by insurance.
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to put psychotherapy first and maybe added
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as a modality later, perhaps it
can be covered that way. Okay,
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on neuro feedback and I have neurocare centers,
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you know, it would just be
unethical for me to to build that
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way. No, I understand that. I mean neck, you know,
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you gotta do what you gotta do
to keep things legal. You know you
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don't want to be caught red handed. But believe me, we're fighting for
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it absolutely. I think most places
around here about five six thousand dollars for
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you know, a lump sum summer
per session depending on where you go.
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more than I charge some charge per session
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and that's a different and then it's
like a hundred and twenty five or something
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percession. So it just depends depends
on what I mean. That's what you
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know. And that was several years
ago. I don't know if that's gone
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up or down. So I don't
know if they had like a pet scan
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to begin with or or what.
But that sounds real pricey. Well,
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they do a they do at e
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quantified and then they would do UM. Then they would just do the neurofeedback
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in the office and you'd watch movies. Wow, seven thousand, that's that's
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quite I think it was like six
thousand. Yeah. Yeah, so mine's
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half that and I would say half
the lowest end that you said. And
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um, that's for twenty sessions with
the brain map. And then I go
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over the brain map with the person
and their family if they want, UM,
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for an entire sixty minutes and so
is included in there as well.
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Okay, so giving them all that
information which is all research related information.
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research and I also know that sometime,
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um, some charge percession and then
others do like a hole like kit you
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know, they'll take you until you're
done. And I mean I ended up
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doing like forty sessions, so oh
ah interesting just that. No, I
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I think it took me about four
months, which is a long time to
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feel the effects or to know I
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a week or two off here and there,
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but was from like September to December. And did it help you?
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I mean most definitely. Um,
I can cry now. I couldn't cry
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before. Ah, I'm still not
great at crying, but I can do
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it before I cry maybe once or
twice a year. Now I can cry,
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you know, when it's appropriate.
That's excellent. You know, we
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don't wanna selectively numb, right,
we want to feel feel all of our
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emotions. So and I can laugh. And I have healthier relationships. They're
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not quite healthy, but they're healthier, so okay, God. But then,
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you know, I think they say
CPTSD takes about ten years of therapy,
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and most people have tried generally have
to do multiple different types of treatment
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before they can stop going to therapy. It's a lot, it's a lot
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longer process then just it's more well
because I mean, your brain doesn't fully
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develop until you're and the younger the
the trauma happens, the harder it is
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to treat. Yeah, I hear
you. I hear you. And you
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know that's part of the reason why
I love neurow feedback. We can reach
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the olympic system and retrain that instead
of trying to pull at roots and trying
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to pull information up from there and
a memory comes up right where you know,
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with narrow feedback, people have the
cap on and um, I don't
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know if you have loose electrodes or
a cap but I use a cap and
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um, you know it's censors at
one time. We're able to reach the
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olympic system and help that area to
calm down, and the survival networks and
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the para hippocampus which takes in all
the memory information from the amygdala, which
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is why so many people can't remember
their childhoods with complex PTSD right because that
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amygdala is so overroused. At the
para hippocampus that sits just right around it
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is overroused as well and can't function
we've got to use our our survival networks
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more than we can our memory centers, so that that trumps that of course.
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to you know, some of the
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memories will pop up, but it's
as if you're seeing it as a movie.
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your face like exposure therapy. Yes,
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most definitely, and I I think
that's why neurofeedback is so incredibly helpful
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for so many people. And um, I know a lot of people are
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very much against it, but I
mean, you know, they've got electric
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shock therapy, which you lose all
out of your memory, and then they've
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got t MS, which is helpful, but it also has a lot of
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adverse side effects. Yeah, we
don't know if any side effects with neurow
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feedback except it can cause a little
bit of tiredness fatigue after the first couple
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of sessions, because it's like taking
your brain to the gym. It's optimizing
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your brain. I definitely felt that. Um yeah, I mean I was
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in grad school at the time and
it was just I could do other things,
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but academic stuff was almost impossible to
do. During that period of time.
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and the processes between sessions as well,
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especially for doing it four times a
week, so you know, it
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was it was exhausting. But you
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people it's kind of like emotional chemo, Like it's like chemo without the nausea.
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usually see that in the first few
sessions, but not after that. UM.
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over a thousand clients, so after
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the first week, I have not
seen people be that fatigued. Although if
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you're working on a lot of trauma
right based on the Olympic system, then
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that's where you know, maybe your
practitioner place the Z score training right,
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and it wasn't more in the frontal
lobes and things like that where you need
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you need that for academics, your
temporal lobe. Yeah, it was,
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so I can't speak to what your
practitioner used or did, but no,
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the computer screen and nothing would come
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will I hear that a lot of
times when people first come in UM.
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But then I mean I have an
a score of six, So that's a
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pretty high a score to have,
so you're able to make it through it.
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And at the end, was it
was that better academic? Um?
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I mean, I think it took
me probably six months, maybe even a
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year to like, I mean,
I ended up funking out because well when
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I was taking too many classes and
trying to do that. I mean,
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there was multiple things and then COVID
hit. But um, it just wore
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me out, like it. I
think probably sometime after the first year I
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started, you know, the first
two months, you know, I'm starting
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to be less tired, and then
probably after a year, you know,
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a lot of the connections and everything
started to just work much better. There
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you go, right, But I
mean that's what trauma does, depending on
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you know, the severity of it, right, right, which is why
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I recommends the score training where we
look at coherence and community communication between all
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those vital hubs and networks and how
they're working, you know, so we
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can train those areas with the frequency
balance and all those you know, seven
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thousand plus voxels all at once.
So I mean, I you know,
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it definitely helped me tremendously, But
I do know, you know, the
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effects of childhood trauma are horrific.
I hear you. I do not disagree,
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um, but no, uh,
And I think that's one thing.
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I mean, that's why I do
this show is because there are so many
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people that are just struggling to function
in everyday life and neuro feedback is a
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tool that can help. So absolutely
absolutely, Um. Is there anything else
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you would like to add? Um, that's it again. You know my
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my website if you're on the West
coast maybe Neurofeedback MAUI dot com. And
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if you're more in the center of
the US, Tyler neuro Care dot com.
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And my Facebook pages again are the
same. They have a lot of
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good information on them as well.
So um. Also you can look me
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up. You can call one eight
seventy neuro and e U r O for
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your consultation. I give free consultations
via phone. Um I say twenty minutes.
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They typically last forty minutes. But
either way, I like to get
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to the root of what's going out
with the client and truly explain how I
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can help or how how this can
help them. Fair Enough, all right,
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I think that's it. Thanks guys
for listening. This is original recovery
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we've got to follow this on your
favorite podcasts, social media, and as
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always, any questions reach out to
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