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Hi, Rachel and recovery. We've
got a special guest, Dr Stephanie Palein.
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She's gonna tell us a little bit
about herself and then she's gonna ask
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some questions about sex trafficking and her
work that she's done with that. Hi,
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Stephanie, tell us a little bit
about yourself. Hi, thank you
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so much for having me on the
show today. Um, a little bit
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about myself. I am a thirty
year veteran of the Los Angeles Police Department.
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Um, in my last portion of
uh of being on the police department,
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I was the officer in charge of
a vice unit. So I ran
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a vice unit for L A P
D. Um, from there I became
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the executive director of an organization that
assisted victims of human trafficking, and now
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I am Vice President and director of
law enforcement, training and survivors services for
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the National Center on Sexual Exploitation.
Awesome, Um. So here are some
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questions. How did you get into
stopping sex trafficking? Oh, my goodness,
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Um, it was. It was
really by accident. Um, what
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happened? I was running the vice
unit and I was arresting people for prostitution
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and then, you know, I
have a personality where, you know,
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I'm talking people to death on their
way to the station, only because I
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love and I'm interested in people.
And what I noticed was I had the
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impression, just like everybody else,
that though everyone in prostitution um desires to
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be there. But in talking to
some of the people that I was arresting
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for prostitution, because, keep in
mind, I left L APD in Um,
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they it was some of them,
it was pimp driven, and what
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I noticed was that there were services
that were needed. So I got together
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with a nonprofit organization Um. At
that time it was called the merry man,
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a gland project in L A.
It's now that it's Um. Now
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journey out, but Um. I
said, Hey, if I ever run
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into anybody who needs services that I
am not, you know, arresting,
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or even if I arrest them,
Hey, can I give them your information?
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And they said yes, and so
from there, once I retired,
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they had an executive director's spot open
and that's how I got into the advocacy
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of Um, helping victims of human
trafficking. Um, what are some of
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the signs to notice that a child
is becoming a target for sex trafficking?
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You know, I give the signs, but I caution people to know that
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some of the signs that I'm probably
gonna give you are also going to be
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things that you see in rebellious teenagers. Right. So one of the things
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that I think is very important to
notice is that Um a victim of human
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trafficking, especially if they're a minor, because adults can be victims of trafficking
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as well, but as a minor
a lot of times you're not. They're
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going to be a little cautious of
letting you know who they're hanging out with,
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who their friends are, Um,
and you see that in rebellious teenagers
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as well, right. So,
who their friends are, if you're noticing
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some unusual tattooing that might have a
crown, or Um might have some turn
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type of ownership involved, or where
you may see Um uh dollar sign,
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something that has to do with money, um seeing them with new things that
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you know are too expensive for them
to have bought, and then a change
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in behavior and that they are distancing
themselves from you, or they are absent
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from school, or they're coming home
lane or they're not coming at home at
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all. So some of the things
that you might see, and with an
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average you know, teenager, are
also signs that you need to be paying
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attention to when we talk about minor
victims of human trafficking. So all that
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to say, anytime you see either
one, do not be afraid to ask
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the questions to find out what's going
on with them, and also looking at
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their social media sites to see if
there's some strange activity there as well.
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Are they talking to people that you
don't know? Are they talking to adults
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that you don't know? So sometimes, unfortunately, teenagers, I'm sorry,
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but moms and dad, you're gonna
have to play detective. Don't be afraid
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to do that, um one.
Are some most common misconceptions when it comes
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to sex trafficking. I make some
of the misconceptions, Um that people have
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is one that everyone who is in
prostitution are victims of human trafficking, and
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that is not true. Victims are
human trafficking or in prostitution because there's been
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some type of force, fraud or
coercion. Sometimes, simply put, is
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that it is Um pimp driven prostitution, and so I think the myth is
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is that everyone who is in prostitution
are victims of human trafficking. However,
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having said that if it is a
minor who is in prostitution, by their
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age alone, they are considered to
be a human trafficking victim. Okay,
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that's good to know. Um,
what are some of the after Matthew see
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and recovering from sex trafficking? Oh, that, you know, I side
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because, you know, just when
I think about it and, Um,
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speaking to the survivors, either adults
or or miners, it's, you know,
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a lot of pieces of their lives
have just been dismantled and so them
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needing to put those pieces back together, Um, them needing the support from
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those that are closest to them to
understand, because there's still this stigma of
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of prostitution, right. And so
I think the important thing is that,
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if you're dealing with a survivor of
human trafficking, you need to walk alongside
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them, meaning they have some idea
of what they need in order to put
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their lives together, and what they
need is your support and helping them put
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their lives together, as opposed to
someone constantly telling them what they need to
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do. Does that make sense?
Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense.
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Yeah, oftentimes people want to tell
them what they need to do next.
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What they really need from people,
especially those closest to them, is
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just to help them get there.
And helping them get there maybe helping them
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find a job, having a place
to live, being able to get maybe
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an education that they missed during the
time that they were trafficed and, most
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important, believe them and give them
room that when they want to talk about
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it, they're going to talk about
it. Fair enough, I can see
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that could be really helpful. Um, what's just what support systems are in
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place for those recovering from being trafficked? There are numerous organizations that are age
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appropriate. They are out there to
help victims of trafficking. So again,
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in my might be that they may
need a place to live, it might
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be that Um uh law enforce.
There are some law enforcement agencies that work
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very closely with nonprofit organizations, and
I know Um and I still get them
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today, where I will get calls
from M L A P D or from
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the sheriff's department in which they are
trying to find services for a victim of
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trafficking, and sometimes that service maybe
that their trafficker, a PEMP, has
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brought them down from let's say,
Um Seattle, Washington, and now they
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need to get back home to their
family. So there are services that are
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out there that will help people get
back home, that will help them with
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things like education, help them with
things like places to live Um and also
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help them find jobs and, even
more importantly, help them with their Um,
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with the arrest records that they might
have incurred during their Um, their
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trafficking. Are there any that help
with like the mental health aspect of the
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aftermath of the PTSD they may have? Yes, so you will find organizations
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Um that have either contracted out or
they have therapists working within their organization Um
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that will be able to help them, and I would say viable organizations,
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which there are quite a few,
are trauma informed and as a part of
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being trauma informed, they know the
importance that counseling plays and so therefore they
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will offer therapy either in house or
they will have the resources to be able
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to Um, UH, send people
to fair enough Um. What things,
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Um, would you like to see
put in place, Um, for for
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engineers to help prevent sex trafficking?
You know, I love this question because
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oftentimes traffickers will um either use social
media in order to advertise the people that
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they are selling, or they will
force those that are being sold to put
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themselves on social media sites. So
what I say is is that, Um,
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careful monitoring is really important on these
sites. If it doesn't look right,
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it probably isn't right, and then
also, Um, coming up with
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some bulletproof way to enforce age verification
policies. So those would, I would
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say, would be two things that
I could think of off the top of
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my head that would be incredibly helpful, UM, for social media on Internet
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to do. Um, what are
things you would like to see put in
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place in the community to help perfect
sex trafficking? I think it's really important,
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um, for the community to really
understand that it doesn't matter what community
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you are in. Human trafficking takes
place everywhere. It may not be as
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visible because people will say, why
don't have a prostitution track in my city?
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Yeah, but you have hotels and
the Internet goes everywhere, and so,
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Um, I think uh, it's
very important to continue to uh make
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communities aware, to make our young
people aware, because, again, they
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use the Internet and Um, pimps
are good pimps, traffickers are good for
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recruiting off of the Internet, and
so, Um, I think awareness needs
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to really continue. Awareness and paying
attention to Um laws that are being implemented.
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Okay, what are some long term
impacts you have seen of survivors of
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sex trafficking? I've seen post traumatic
stress this order. I've seen where,
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Um, I'm talking to a twenty
three year old that may have been traffic
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since the age of thirteen and there's
an arrested development where, even though they
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are physically twenty three, I'm talking
still talking to that thirteen year old.
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So you see it in terms of
Um, their decision making. Um,
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you may see them as being very
compulsive. Um, you will see that
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they will have high scores when it
comes to adverse childhood experiences, experienced tests,
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um. So those are some of
the long term effects of it,
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and not to mention, Um,
the trauma that happens as a result.
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So, although I am telling you
these things that are long term, they're
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also they also can be reversible,
because I've seen these same people be so
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high in their ability to overcome their
adversity. So it's not something where it
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cannot be reversed. But these are
some of the things that I have seen
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in terms of long term effects that
just need to be addressed. Okay,
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Um, because I mean I know
because I do a lot of research with
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childhood sexual abuse in general, and
it has a very long term effect on
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their marriages and on their relationships,
even after the math. And I would
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feel like some of those same treats, even though a lot of them come
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from inside the family. I mean
it's a little different when it comes from
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outside the family, but to be
traffic trafficed, that's a whole different ball
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game. But what's interesting about that
is those things that you just name,
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the same thing happens. Not Knowing
how to be in relationships, right,
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because all you know is that relationships
to you people have had to pay for.
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So does someone really love me just
for me and not to mention you
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know, there's statistics out there that
show victims of human trafficking were, unfortunately,
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victims of childhood sexual abuse. Yeah, I mean there's a huge quarrel,
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lily right. So it's so it
ends up being unfortunate really the same
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person that you and I are talking
about and because of their abuse, it
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just makes, uh, what has
happened to them a risk factor and vulnerable
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to a Predator who wants to sell
them. Right. It's kind of like,
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well, you've been doing it so
long with your uncle, why not
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do it, you know, and
get paid for it? That's what the
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predators or the traffickers say to them. So you, yes, you do
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see the same effect. But then, as you also know, Um,
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when people recognize that, unfortunately,
this damage has been done to them,
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you know they will go into counseling, they will be aware and hopefully they
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get the help that they need in
order to get through this, because it
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is there. So exactly, it
is exactly the same. Okay, because
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I was curious about that because I
know some of the sex trafficking happens with
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parents and that sort of thing.
Absolutely absolutely, and that is and I
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and again, you are really bringing
out and asking the right questions that some
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people just don't talk about. And
so when you talk about familial trafficking,
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it is absolutely happening and the survivors
of that are are saying, Hey,
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I was trafficked by my grandfather,
but that needs to be talked about more
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so, you know, that needs
to be talked about just as often as
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we're talking about people that have been
trafficked either by a stranger or a boyfriend.
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I have ran across victims that,
as young as that will tell me.
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Hey, you know, they're twenty
three now now, but when they
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were five years old, their grandfather
was pimping them out to the neighborhood.
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Um, I was looking at stats
that showed anywhere between three and four be
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four percent, and what they found
that that that was more of what was
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where they were being sold on the
internet or their pictures were being sold or
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traded on the Internet. So it
is an issue that absolutely needs to be
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addressed and people need to understand that, unfortunately, people will sell their children
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for the purposes of sex, to
make money off of them, to pay
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off a gambling a debt or to
pay off the rent, you know.
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I mean it's one of those awful
things that nobody wants to talk about,
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but we need to talk about it
because it is happening to people, unfortunately.
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Yeah, I do have one question. Um, it's kind of on
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a similar darkness. How many of
them come back a life, you know,
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after sex trafficking, versus that don't
make it it meaning? Um,
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so if you could just clarify,
like they just don't, you know,
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their kidnappers or you know, the
people in charge of them just kill them
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or, Um, they end up
murdered. I don't have the exact statistics
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on on that, but let me
say this that victims are human trafficking.
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There's a very small percentage, and
I know that that's been out there,
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that the guy in the white man
drives up and kidnaps people. I'm not
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saying that that doesn't happen, but
it's probably one to two. Nine Times
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on a ten, a victim of
human trafficking knows there um their trafficker.
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Either it's somebody that has befriended a
runaway um or someone that's coming to their
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life as a boyfriend or girlfriend Um, and so that appears to be more
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common then it being an absolute stranger
that has kidnapped them off the street.
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But here's the thing that people do
need to understand that it is incredibly violent
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and that there are those that die
at the hands of their pimps or traffickers.
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That that is um unfortunately, can
be a common occurrence. And if
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it's not so much dying, I
can guarantee you that they can be Um
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physically harmed, uh, in terms
of being thrown out of cars, are
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being beaten as a result of not
bringing in enough money, or Um not
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showing respect. So there is an
extreme violent nature to this. And when
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we talk statistics, you will have
and and and. So statistics have to
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be reported, right, so it's
going to either be reported by a hospital.
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It always going to be reported by
the police. If that victim does
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not make a police report, nobody
knows that she was a victim of that
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type of abuse. If she doesn't
go to the hospital, we don't know.
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So the stats that are out there
just kind of give us an idea,
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but it doesn't give us a true
idea because it's not adding in those
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that don't report. But what we
do know is that there's a very violent
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nature to all of this. That's, you know, I figured there would
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be, but I mean it's always
nice to ask somebody that is in the
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business. Yeah, absolutely, Um, because I mean I think of domestic
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abuse survivors and I think they say
if you you know, if women leave,
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there's a five out of six chance
she's not coming back alive. So
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yeah, so I figured I don't
want I wouldn't know what the data would
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be on that, but I mean
it oh, when somebody starts a peach
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in you like that, they don't
value your life. Oh yeah, no,
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the only way that your your life, would be of some value is
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that the person makes money off of
your life. Right, so they need
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you alive to make money. Yes, very true, as as dark as
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that is, Um Ah fe,
I just think it's just so horrific of
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how people will use others for financial
gain. Yeah, no, Um,
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I mean that's just it's a scary
world that we live in. Okay,
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yes, Um, all right,
and I think that's it, guys.
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I see you, guys, next
Thursday. Listen to us on your favorite
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podcast or social media platform and,
as always, uh, if you have
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any questions.
